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Post by cottarsfan on Dec 30, 2006 17:45:20 GMT -5
well I hope im in the right place, my question :
scince the cottars broke up fiona and ciaran have been playing with claire and bruce, why are they still calling themselves the cottars!? THIS is not the cottars. and just to add I was a HUGE cottars fan, and im sure the new musicians are great! but i'm confused on the whole thing. I've tried to look up and get an explaination on why they have broken up and I've read in mulitple places that the MacGillivarys broke up the cottars. I know you cant believe everything you read so anyone who knows and would like to set the story straight please reply. a billboard article on the whole thing said that the mackenzies were "devestated" by the annoucement. and if the macgillivarys broke it up why did they find claire and bruce? i know that they had shows planned for a while that they had to play at but why not play as the "original" cottars ? and why isn't it posted on their site?
any help on this would be great!
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Post by Ginny on Dec 30, 2006 18:39:00 GMT -5
Hi Cottarsfan! Those are really good questions. We're all wondering the same thing, so this is actually the perfect place to ask those questions. I'll try to answer the best I can. First of all, since the songs that Ciaran and Fiona are playing with Bruce and Claire are the same songs that they've been playing since the days when they first started performing with Jimmy and Roseanne, I'm assuming that's the main reason that they are still known as The Cottars. Also, they had been booked in several concert venues to perform as "The Cottars", so it would have been easier for them to do these concerts as "The Cottars with new band members" instead of some new name that nobody recognizes. It would be difficult for them to change their name when everyone knows them as The Cottars. Also, if the MacGillivrays are the ones who have the right to the name, then they should be able to keep that name. Hopefully we'll soon hear word from the band as to what's happening in the near future. If they are going to find even more new band members, new songs, etc, then they probably would change their name, and start a completely new band. As for the break-up, what you said is pretty much all we know. What we originally heard was that The MacG's wanted to stop performing, and the MacK's had no idea. Why the MacG's went and replaced Jimmy and Rosie, well, we can wonder, but we really don't know. We have reason to believe that there was some sort of tension or disagreements between the two families, and if that was the case, that's between them, and I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to share it with the general public. If it was for personal, private reasons, we'll just have to leave it at that. Why isn't anything posted on either of their sites? Who knows. I don't know who is in charge of either, but www.thecottars.com doesn't seem to get updated much. Neither does their miramusic site. In fact, besides tour dates, I'm not sure that either site has been updated since May. Like I said before, if it was for personal reasons that they split, maybe they don't want to publicize it much. Neither Fiona nor Ciaran mentioned Jimmy or Roseanne in their last show, they just acted like Bruce and Claire have been there all along. I guess they figured that if anyone comes along who's a new fan, then they will appreciate The Cottars for who they are now, and for all us old fans, maybe they thought we wouldn't notice  Strangely enough though, at the concert I went to a month ago, I heard one guy in front of me say to another "they have new members now, did you hear?"...so I guess there's more people than I realized who know about the break up...there must be some people out there who know more than we do...they should come here and help us answer these tricky questions Anyhoo, I hope that helped somewhat. That's pretty much all we know so far. Cheers, Ginny |
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Post by cottarsfan on Dec 30, 2006 21:04:44 GMT -5
well if the MacG's spilt up the group and have new band members even if they dont get anymore new musicians I don't think they should call themselves the cottars anymore... because they're not and they never will be. i'm a bit bitter about it actually, they were such a great band, something you can't replace. even though they're trying to and no offense to the new players, but it will just never be the same. as for me if I had to chose to go see the mackenzie project over the "new" cottars, the mackenzie project is what I would pick. It's just not the same without rosie and jimmy.  thanks for your post! |
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Post by Joe on Dec 30, 2006 21:44:10 GMT -5
Hi cottarsfan ! I understand how your feel about the new band members. I think Ginny answered your questions better than I ever could. Personally, I would rather keep the name "Cottars". We'll have to wait their decision if they decide to change it. I think the band needs to update their website and at miramusic.com/cottars as Ginny mentioned. Happy new year, cottarsfan!  Joe |
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Post by faerie on Dec 31, 2006 10:44:53 GMT -5
hey I agree with you cottersfan, I dont think that they should still be the cottars, when 1/2 of them arent there anymore. Although as Ginny said, it probably was easier for now to keep that name, and the songs for the concerts they had this year. But the way they were talking it sounded like they didnt want to perform anymore, but there's also a few posts talking about them coming out with a new cd so i'm confused about that  . Hopefully, that if they do decided to contiune performing, that they will get new songs and change the name. Happy new years everyone! Tia |
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Post by Ginny on Jan 1, 2007 9:35:22 GMT -5
What? New CD? I haven't heard this |
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Post by faerie on Jan 1, 2007 11:22:32 GMT -5
wasnt there talk of maybe having a new cd this year? something about a live one?? or am i going crazy??  Tia |
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Post by Ginny on Jan 1, 2007 13:16:00 GMT -5
I remember us saying that it would be cool if they did that, but I haven't heard any definite plans yet...I dunno, this is getting confusing Cheers, Ginny |
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Post by mott on Jan 1, 2007 20:09:16 GMT -5
Hi all and Happy New Year to everyone!
I want to throw my 2 Canadian cents in. I had read that Fiona thought up the name “Cottars” for their group, so I assume she (or perhaps her father) owns the rights to the name. So like what Ginny said, as long as MacGillivrays are in the band, they can keep using the Cottars name. It is like a business name, and as Ginny said, probably a very well-known and respected name, so it makes good business sense to keep using it, even though the group members are ½ different.
I do agree though that there should be more information on why the band split up. There is nothing on the “thecottars.com” site about it, last time I checked. They still mention the old band members and I don’t understand why they won’t keep more up-to-date. It’s rather misleading, and they should at least have something on there about the new members.
I think a group that does have a reputation as they have, that has toured all over the world, and seems to have a large fan-base, could be more communicative to everyone. Perhaps there are other sites that have more info (such as this one, though it is “unofficial”), but still they could make a better effort to explain how things are. I get that some things aren’t our business, but being so silent about the whole situation can only lead to rumors that the break-up was not amicable.
I love the Cottars and hope they can set the record straight on their website, on why they changed members, what their 2007 plans are, and where they will tour. Also I hope that when they do that, they will still give credit to their success to Jimmy and Roseanne. Also I hope that when I see them perform next, that they will say something like "we wish Jimmy and Roseanne success with their futures" and vice versa.
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Post by Joe on Jan 1, 2007 22:22:58 GMT -5
Hi all, I remember saying that it would be cool if a live CD was released in 2007. I hope Allister will reveal "the plans under wrap" when they get home from their holiday abroad. There's likely to be a CD from The MacKenzie Project at the end of the year. Joe Je suis fou |
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Post by afanoffiona on Jan 1, 2007 22:29:16 GMT -5
cottarsfan,
Ya, I read the same story you did. I think that is just the media trying to hype up the situation. Rosanne and Jimmy were [and are] extrordinary players, and it is difficult to see why the MacGillivarys would just capriciously let them go for no reason at all. I can almost guarantee that there was a good reason.
However, if it is a personal one, maybe it is none of our buisness. I mean, they are people just as much as we are, and if there were personal problems between the members, it would probably be best to just support them, and not ask questions about matters like that.
I don't really know if the name bothers me as much. I guess it would bother me if none of the original members were there. In the academic arena you are more concerned with the overall performance than things like names. I understand about how weird it is to think of the Cottars as a group and not think of Rosie and Jimmy. That is what made them so good. You had Fiona's heart rending vocals and whistle playing, Rosanne's amazing fiddle playing, and the steady piano and guitar playing of Ciarian and Jimmy sometimes all at once.
I just want to know if the breakup is going to effect their playing at all. I sure do hope not, but I won't find out until I hear them this spring. However, I do agree with the person who said that it seems wierd that they do not say that they wish each other best wishes for their careers. That might lead one to the conclusion that the breakup was violent. Anyway, as I said, we should support them as far as they go, and love them because of how good they are.
The MacKenzie project is coming along well, and I hope to go and hear them as well. I guess I would be more concerned if one side gave up, rather than the fact that they just decided to part ways.
God Bless,
afanoffiona
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Post by Ginny on Jan 2, 2007 10:23:07 GMT -5
I'm going to bring Great Big Sea into this for one minute.... In 2003, they lost a band member, Darrell Power. They replaced him, and also brought in a new drummer. Are they still Great Big Sea? Of course. Do they have new songs that they never performed with Darrell? Uh yeah. Do they sound as good as they always have? Definitely. You can replace members in a band, and still be as good as they ever were. However, in this case, Darrell didn't leave because of a conflict, and the last I heard, they were all still on good terms. Back to The Cottars.... I agree with affanoffiona when you say that if it's for personal reasons, we shouldn't ask. That's basically what I was getting at in my first reply. I think we all figure that must be what the problem was, since they seem to be trying to keep it quiet. I also happen to know (from a very reliable source) that Fiona and Claire were already friends. How they knew Bruce...I don't know. My guess is that there was some personal conflict between the two, maybe Ciaran and Fiona said that they wanted to leave, but Jimmy and Rosie left first, then Fiona asked her friend who plays the fiddle to replace Rosie...I dunno if that makes any sense, but I don't think that either Claire or Bruce were just two random musicians they tracked down to perform with them. Also affanoffiona-don't worry, the breakup hasn't effected their playing, in my opinion. In fact, I thought the last concert I went to, just over a month ago was the best Cottars concert I've seen yet. Not necessarily because they have new members, but because they have new instruments, a few new songs, newer arrangements of old songs, new stories...I think you'll be really impressed Joe-did you mean to say that you're insane? Or were you trying to say something else? ;D Cheers, Ginny |
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Post by faerie on Jan 2, 2007 11:27:01 GMT -5
I like the refrence to great big sea there ginny, um to me though, it seems a bit different when 1/2 of them leave, but this might change if I see them togetehr, because right now I see it as the cottars broke up, and each set went their separate way, not one person deciding to leave. I wish that they would make some kind of statement on their web page about what happened, they dont need to go into detail, but just so everyone knows.
Tia
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Post by afanoffiona on Jan 2, 2007 17:08:36 GMT -5
Ginny,
I would say that, if Claire already knew Fiona , then I think that would be a clear indication that something went wrong that we are just not supposed to know about. This isn't about the MacKenzie's ability to perform then, but must have something more to do with their personal lives; otherwise Claire would have been in a long time ago!
I will take your word for it until I can hear them myself. I hope they get their concert tours dates out soon! My grandmother gave me some christmas money I am going to use to pay for tickets.
God Bless,
afanoffiona
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Post by Joe on Jan 2, 2007 22:21:36 GMT -5
Joe-did you mean to say that you're insane? Or were you trying to say something else? ;D Bonjour Ginny... I thought "Je suis folle" was "I'm insane"; I was trying to say just plain crazy "Je suis fou...pour le moment!"  Je ne sais pas. Anyhoo, when we first learned of this split, it sounded like all four kids were tired of the long touring schedule. I know that the MacKenzies were devastated when they were told about the split. Yeah, grandma gave me $ as well...I hope their schedule is out soon!! Take care, my friends Joe |
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. Hopefully, that if they do decided to contiune performing, that they will get new songs and change the name.
